I'm all right.
I'm just taking it one day at a time. I'm going over my new projects right
you been up to lately?
paperwork, and a lot of meetings. I'm working on the Cappatilize project.
That's one of my new albums. I got The Transition, I got the Return to
the Pillage or maybe just The Pillage 2. I can't call it because The Pillage
can't be matched. That's a done deal. I also have the Capture album.
your plans for all these albums?
Grab some real estate and the Better Life Movement and entrepreneurship,
independence. You have to take that land over.
going to be the first album you drop?
I might drop a couple mix-CD's first, The Greatest Darts Ever Sold hosted
by Iron Sheik and probably The Better Life Movement Volume One, and we
got Wu South Volume One. There's a lot of things happening.
Wu South about?
merging. It's about New York merging with down South. That's my one little
merger. We're slowly bridging the gap.
been a lot of complaints about East Coast rappers on Southern beats. How
do you respond to that?
of somebody from New York rapping on South beats or vice versa, that's
showing growth and development within the nation. That's how you come
out of oppression. If you don't expand your horizons, then you can't go
any further than your last music. That's why you have mergers like Nextel
and Sprint. The same way Nextel and Sprint merged so they could have a
better network is the same way New York is going to merge with the South.
Of course it's going to be me to stimulate the movement. I'm guaranteeing
success on this one.
Wu MC's going to be a part of this project?
is an independent, self-made orientated project. It's been something that
I've been sitting on and working on for five years and I have all the
confidence in the world that it's going to work.
the hardcore Wu fans who want to hear your more traditional music?
I don't expect
fans to say anything. I expect the fans to do as I do and not do as I
say. That's the way I expect the fans. The same way we came in and took
over the rap game in 1995 and we came in with the different sound and
the way we came in and everything that was going on we didn't give a fuck
about it, we don't give a fuck about it now. This is the same way as back
in the days. I'm going to start it off.
it going to go after you start it off?
to go worldwide. It's going to start from the center of the Earth and
then branch out to North, East, West, and South. If you put those letters
together it spells "news."
you going to do a sequel to The Pillage?
there is a little difficult right now. That's the hardest one. I'm having
a little difficulty on that. That can never be topped. You just have to
restructure and recreate with the basis of The Pillage album. One of my
students who is a good reflector of knowledge told me that in order for
me to have a great, successful Pillage 2 album I would have to incorporate
pieces from The Pillage into it. I totally agree. That was the best notion
I could come up with before that saga continues. If I can't crack the
code the way I want to, I'm going to go along with the Capture album.
the first step you take towards making The Pillage 2?
step is you have to take a step back. In order to take a step forward,
sometimes you have to take a step back. I think about what was going on
at that time, the music, the hairstyles, the mentality of the people,
and I incorporate that into modern-day technology with a more advanced
and more ethnical simplicity.
the Capture be different from The Pillage 2?
is going to capture the minds of the people and get people to see the
Better Life Movement and get people to think outside of the box instead
of thinking one sort of way. I'm trying to bring variety into music and
bring in mergers in order to create a more creative entity in the whole
music industry right now. You might want to call this "Renewal of
the Street Mind."
ready to have their minds opened?
is no better time than the present. It's needed the most when everybody
doesn't know where to go. Everybody's looking, longing, and searching.
Everybody wants to leave somewhere, somehow. Hope.
I am that
hope. I am.
guys been working on the Wu album?
I went over
there one time, but with the 36 Chambers, you never know where a song
is going to go when you do it. It could go on any project at any time.
a typical Wu session like?
It's educational. It's over our heads. Sometimes we get in there and we
might not even talk because we're so focused on the music. We'll build
Wu album be out around a year from now?
is coming. It's coming. Everybody's just getting their head right.
industry ready for Wu-Tang?
can't wait to get something new, man.
this new album going to stack up against the other Wu albums?
got to change the frame and bring the body-work up. It's internal. If
you strengthen the love, everything else falls right into place.
relationships in the Wu right now?
I would say
relationships are at an all-time high.
you attribute that to the tour?
I think time
is the best healer of all wounds. Time and time alone.
more important to you, that the album gets done or everyone stays on the
If you put
love first, everything else will follow. The sooner everybody learns that,
the greater success we'll have. Seek first the kingdom of God and everything
else will be given unto you.
have a good time on the tour?
always good to be building with your brothers. It's like a family reunion.
the chemistry change without ODB?
He was like
an element. It's like having four wheels on a car and then taking one
off. There's going to be a slant. Then you have to put a spare on it and
it'll still be a little shaky. Once you get your money up, you can get
a new wheel, but it'll never be the wheel you had, but it might make the
ride a little better.
you see the new Wu album impacting hip-hop when it drops?
I think it's
going to put everybody right back where they need to be, and where they
need to be is one with their self. Once they become one with their self,
then they can become one with everybody else and we'll be a better nation
and one nation under God, the all. We're the ones who started that unification
in the music. It was a thing of old but we brought it back to new again.
started a lot of trends. Do you ever get angry when you see people stealing
elements from the Wu?
always going to take something from somebody. It's all learned behavior.
There really ain't nothing new under the sun, but you have to know where
the main source of that is. Give credit where credit is due.
get the respect they deserve?
On the underground,
yeah, perhaps, but on a broad scale, I don't believe that we get it. I
believe we will get it because nobody can stop the inevitable. We're the
originators of a style that was forgotten and now it's being brought back
to reality. We resurrected the minds of the people and that's what it's
Wu shows you can have fans from 15 to 35 knowing every song word-for-word.
wonderful feeling. That's a beautiful experience. That's why I stay into
this music because it's a universal word that brings everyone together,
the white, red, brown, and the black. As long as I can be able to do that
and add on to the conference of the cipher, I'm going to keep doing that
and bringing people together and showing people another way. Perhaps they
can find out what their talent is and enhance that and then bring that
forward. A lot of people say we helped them get through school by saying
certain things and helping them reach knowledge. I wasn't educated like
that, but there are a lot of people out there like me, so when I add my
two cents, I'm bringing people together with educated people and we see
there's no real differences between neither one of us, even though I have
all this money and no love and you have a lot of love and no money. When
we get together, that's equality right there because we can help each
other out where each one is lacking. That's the real strength in numbers
comfortable with where you are in the game right now?
I feel comfortable
because if I have a position in the game, that means I'm doing what I'm
supposed to do. If I can strengthen it more and more to the third power
and keep it going, I'm going to do what I do. I'm going to drop what I
have, it's going to work, it's going to sell, people are going to love
me, and I'll be number-one.
your state-of-mind in the booth these days?
I feel like
I'm the underdog but I'm about to come up real hard.
it recording "9-Milli Brothers" for Ghost's album?
good for me. I love stuff like that. It was a refreshing summer breeze
for me, man, because that's the stuff I love to do the most. I feel like
I do my best work when I'm with a lot of cats because I get to hear how
different I sound. I have to keep standing out like that. I have to keep
making myself stand out.
you approach a song like that when Wu hasn't recorded much together lately?
We did it
all in our separate studios. I think we mostly did it at the studio in
Staten Island because Ghost was working out of a studio in Staten Island.
That's my boy, Tony. I love all my niggas from the Clan. It's just that
I'm not for the bullshit. I don't fuck around with that, it's grown men
free of the bullshit?
I don't know,
son. I don't really give a fuck about that. I'm trying to get into entrepreneurship
and work with my brothers. I think we should get together, get our guns
right, and take the industry and smash anybody who ain't with our movement.
you still in Baltimore?
I'm in Baltimore
and I'm in New York. I'm everywhere. I run this shit. Niggas ain't know
me for a long time, man. I don't really do a whole lot of hanging out.
I'm kind of anti, but I have goons everywhere that will smash niggas out
at any time. Big up to my nigga Rush, my nigga Gator, and Clay and all
them niggas. Big up to my nigga Born and shit, that's my nigga for life,
the Better Life Movement, my nigga Dini, my nigga Jay-Saki, the whole
Goon Squad in Boston
it's a movement. I'm not playing with y'all
idiots. I got crazy niggas behind me right now, a whole army. I got the
Muslims and the Christians. I'm about to smash all y'all wannabe niggas,
rap Anita Baker-ass niggas. I'm about to rip their wig off, b.
know. They're going to call me "Crazy Man" because I'm coming
through on the strength of everybody in my Clan. When I finish, you're
going to feel like the Clan released me. Like, "They released him.
They put Cap on us."
wait to hear the new music.
to be shocked as shit. You're going to be like, "I didn't know he
had all this shit that he's got." Just off The Greatest Darts Ever
Sold, oh man, it's got mad shit. I have the Cappatilize DVD too. That's
coming out right now.
you giving people with the DVD?
them the good, the bad, and the ugly, and that's still not enough. I don't
have enough TV's to show what I need to show.
the main thing you need to show everybody?
I need to
show everybody that yo, no matter what happens, I'll never fucking give
ever a time you wanted to give up?
that's when I did the best work. When I wanted to give up, that's when
RZA said, "Get on this song right here." You know what song
that was? "Ice Cream." Straight through the roof. That was the
day that God let me know there was no quitting.
you like living Baltimore?
I can live
anywhere where my people is at. When I say "my people," that's
anybody who's been poor, afflicted, abused, and oppressed.
still driving a cab?
a cab right now, a bus, a boat, a truck, I'll drive whatever the fuck
I want to drive. I don't have what you call the egoistical maniac-brainiac
syndrome. I'm not worried about materialistic shit. I'm not worried about
pride. The only thing I'm worried about is me doing what I need to do
for my kids and for anybody who needs to be released from that mental
state of unawareness.
enjoy driving the cab?
I loved it.
I met so many interesting people. Just when you thought you had all the
problems in the world, you can meet people in the cab that can blow your
of your passengers recognize you?
Some of them
did, some of them didn't. I didn't bank off of that. I never banked off
of being Cappadonna until right now, and the reason why I'm doing it right
now is because I understand my work as an individual right now.
your craziest story from driving the cab?
story is the fact that I was able to drive a cab and still be the person
I am while everybody else changed who they were towards me.
people change towards you?
taking the opportunity to see a brother keeping it real and maintaining
my status in extreme conditions, they took the opportunity to kick me
while I was down.
make you mad?
No. It just
gave me more self-awareness and it helped me to stand out and get my shit
to a better station and focus more on my success and my business as an
individual. It also helped me to learn the boundaries of a hustler.
the next move for Cappadonna?
movement is the Better Life Movement, raps and real estate. We're recruiting
all the real niggas. If you have your shit right and your paper's right,
we wouldn't mind having you as a part of the team.
looking for MC's?
for investors right now because this is a very big movement and I need
more leverage because I don't want to just do this music. I also want
to get into some non-profit events. I want to broaden my horizon, man.
It's time to look at life beyond music.
you rely on to broaden your horizon?
I get into
a lot of books, but I really have some trouble getting through the book
because it becomes another story to me. My best study is just to study
human behavior. I'm a sociologist. I think you learn more studying a person
than from studying books.
you be doing if you weren't rapping?
I'd be a
poor, righteous teacher.
the first project you're dropping?
to give them The Greatest Darts Ever Sold and then go straight to the
Cappatilize project. While everything else is popping off, everything
else will become slowly available. I'm going to put the push behind all
of them, but right now, I'm pushing the Cappatilize project. I would go
to a major label, but there's something in the air that's telling me to
do it independently because there's a message in what I'm doing as well
as a success story.
you want to say to all your fans?
head down and keep doing what you have to do. When I say keep your head
down, I mean duck and weave all of the bullshit and keep your mind on
your grind, whatever it is that you're doing. Keep your mind on it and
you'll make it. Don't ever give up. That belongs to you, nobody can ever
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